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British Holocaust denier Nicholas Kollerstrom said in an interview that was aired on Channel 4 (Iran) on January 15 and 16, 2023 that it is time to put the "nightmare hallucination narrative" of the Holocaust "to bed." He said that the aim of "this holo-hoax tale" was to crush Germany's spirit, and that the Final Solution had been only to deport wealthy and powerful Jews to Russia because the Germans didn't want the Jews controlling their media and their politics. He said that the gas chambers were "imaginary" and "phantasmal" and that Zyklon-B had only been used as a "normal" insecticide. In addition, he said that only around 40,000 Jews died in Auschwitz and around 200,000 in total in labor camps, and he described the "normal procedure" of being inducted to a labor camp: "You would have all your hair shaved off, you take your clothes off, your clothes get deloused, you might have some funny pajamas to wear for a bit, and later on you'd get back your clothing and bedding."
Moreover, he claimed that Auschwitz had amenities such as a theater, an orchestra, a bakery, and a hospital. He claimed that the images of piled up corpses in concentration camps had been people who died due to water and food shortages, and that Operation Reinhard extermination camps like Treblinka had only been "transit" camps in which the Jews were given a "shower" as they passed through, adding: "Try to imagine this, loads and loads of bodies buried under the grass!" Later in the interview, Kollrstrom said that former Labor Party leader Jeremy Corbyn had been the "last hope of British politics" but had been falsely accused of antisemitism.
The interview was aired as part of a daily series on Channel 4 (Iran) in which Iranian writer and TV host Arash Darya-Bandari (also known as Blake Archer Williams), a graduate of UC Berkeley, interviews Western Holocaust deniers and conspiracy theorists.
Nicholas Kollerstrom: "If you believe that the Zyklon insecticide in World War II, in German labor camps, was used in its ordinary normal function, as an insecticide — then you are a Holocaust denier. That is a terrible heresy, that normal hygiene technology, in the German labor camps, worked in an ordinary, normal manner. Instead, it is compulsory to believe in a very extraordinary use of the Zyklon, which is a cyanide-based insecticide, in something that never existed before or since — namely, large human lethal cyanide gas chambers.
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"That is the core essence of the compulsory holo-religion that we have today, that the wicket Germans did this for no reason to a lot of Jews who were in the German labor camps.
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"There is absolutely nothing in any German labor camp that resembles a human gas chamber. Whatever you think they are, you can't find them in historical record. You find things [that] were broken and smashed to bits, and people say, oh well, of course, this is where they used to be — the human gas chambers — and the wicked Nazis wouldn't leave the evidence there, so they broke it all up. So you've just got bits of what are probably just washrooms, for example. After the war, the tourism industry mocks them up as being human gas chambers.
"The question is: Is it used in a perfectly normal manner, as insecticide, as revisionisms believe, or is it going into these huge phantasmal human gas chambers and kills Jews? So the questions is: Are bugs or Jews being killed, you know?
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"That means you are looking at 30 or 40 thousand Jews at Auschwitz who die, which is really quite a lot but nothing resembling the total that is alleged, like one million or something...
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"I will say after all, you get a bit under 200,000 Jews dying in all the German labor camps. Maybe 150,000... That is the total mortality.
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"Now the pro-Holocaust books try to make out that a huge number of Jews that come in to the labor camps, get gassed, get burnt in the cremation ovens, and then their ashes are thrown away without record.
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"So as normal procedure, you would have all your hair shaved off, you take your clothes off, your clothes get deloused, you might have some funny pajamas to wear for a bit, and later on you'd get back your clothing and bedding. So that was something you went through to get deloused. I think that worked in a very standard normal manner in the German labor camps."
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Arash Darya-Bandari: "What was the so-called solution to the Jewish problem, for the Nazis?"
Kollerstrom: "What was called Endlosung der Judenfrage [the Final Solution to the Jewish Question], which means the 'goal solution,' the goal solution of the Jewish question, goal solution. That was to destroy Jewish power in Germany. So all Jews who had financial power were basically pushed out of the country. They were sent out. They were done stuff by these camps, which were initially transit camps to send them eastwards. They were sent to Poland and thought that into Russia.
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"May I just point out that Jews, who had been quietly living in Germany for many years, without causing any trouble — they were allowed to stay there. Let's just be aware of that. It was very much Jews who had just come into the country, or those who had power. They didn't want Jews controlling their media, newspapers, justice, politics. They wanted that Jewish influence removed, so this was the policy.
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"The prime purpose was a hard-working labor camp, but as well as that, in Auschwitz, there were all sorts of amenities, things you could do. There was a theater, an orchestra, a bakery, a hospital, there was some sort of money, they had in Auschwitz. There were visits by wives, wives could come and visit inmates.
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"In the last year or so of the war, British-American bombing, two million tons of bombs dropped on Central Europe... They bombed just about everything that moved, so food and water was destroyed, and the catastrophic mortality... You see the pictures of corpses in the labor camps piled up, that was a consequence of that bombing.
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"The aim of this holo-hoax tale is to destroy the spirit of Germany, to try and make them think they did stuff that are wicked.
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"Operation Reinhard camps, right on eastern Poland, they were just transit camps that people passed through. They'd get washed, spruced up, a shower, and pass through. They were not labor camps, so they got assigned a different category. Treblinka, right, Treblinka was a transit camp, and people didn't stay there. They try to give a ghastly meaning to these camps. They try to say Treblinka... Try to imagine this, loads and loads of bodies buried under the grass or whatever.
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"It is an imaginary narrative that has been put on to a historical time and place.
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"I would really, really like to hear if some country could repeat the discussion which Iran once had, about 14 years ago, this great conference with top [Holocaust] revisionists discussing this matter.
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"I think it is time we put this nightmare hallucination narrative to bed. Can we please try and live without these unreal nightmare hallucinations which just blame the loser of the war? Germany lost the war and wasn't in the position to defend itself.
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"The last hope of British politics was an old-fashioned socialist — Jeremy Corbyn.
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"A campaign was started up of demonizing him, just because he was pro-Palestine. Well, what's wrong with saying that Palestinians should be allowed to have their own land? But there is a pretense from you know, the usual suspects, that he is antisemitic, which he is not in the slightest.
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"Soon the press managed to convince itself that the whole Labor Party had a problem with antisemitism, which it didn't at all. It didn't exist. But anyway, they got rid of him, he's not even a member of the Labor Party now. We've got some ghastly character as a leader instead, who is going to do whatever the Jews tell him. I think that is symptomatic of what has happened to this country."
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