Discussion of Koranic Healing With a "Jinn-Possessed" Participant

The following are excerpts from an discussion regarding Koranic Healing, which aired on Dream TV on June 12, 2005. Participants were: host Muna Al-Husseini; Koranic healer Sheik Fawzi Al-Mahdi, researcher Mansour Abd Al-Hakim, who authored the book Confronting the Jinn, Islamic Law professor Dr. Ahmad Karima, and Abd Al-Min'am, an actor pretending to be possessed by a jinn.

Al-Mahdi: The Koran is the cure of all ills. Mental illness, physical illness, and all illnesses. The words of the Prophet prove this: "Use both medicines: the Koran and honey." Why the Koran? Because of these verses, and because Omar used to place his right hand on the sick person's head, and would read the Al-Fatiha chapter, and the sick would be healed.

Moderator: Brother Abd Al-Min'am entered seemed normal. Suddenly, when Sheik Fawzi began to recite Koranic verses, he began to behave in a strange way. We will leave him alone until he calms down a little. In the meantime, I would like to talk to Mr. Mansour. You are a spiritual healer, right?

Mansour: No, I am no healer, but a researcher of these matters. There is a difference between a healer and a researcher.

Moderator: Don't you heal people?

Mansour: No. I did while I was writing the research. I dealt with healing and its effectiveness, as well as witchcraft... and the difference between mental illnesses...

Moderator: Do you see what's going on there, Mr. Mansour?

Mansour: Yes.

Moderator: Guys, maybe you could...

Mansour: One moment, I can...

Moderator: Is his condition so bad?

Mansour: No, no. It's nothing.

Moderator: Mr. Mansour, could you have a look at him?

Mansour: One moment, I need to make sure…

Moderator: Guys…

Abd Al-Min'am screams.

Masnour: He's an actor. He's not possessed by a jinn. He's an actor. He's not possessed by a jinn. He's an actor and a liar. He's a liar. He's not possessed by a jinn or anything.

Moderator: How can you tell?

Mansour: No, no. It's all an act. No jinn could do what he's doing, or have these convulsions, or the look in his eyes...

Karima: It's a mental illness.

Mansour: It's not a mental illness either. It's an actor playing a part.

Moderator: How do you know?

Mansour: I wrote a study on how to differentiate between mental and jinn illnesses. You can't fool someone like me.

Moderator: So you think he's…

Mansour: This is an actor There's nothing wrong with him.

Moderator: Sheik Fawzi, maybe you can…

Masnour: Leave him alone.

Karima: Mrs. Muna, he is mentally retarded.

Mansour: No, he is not. He is mentally retarded in that he thought he could fool us.

Karima: This is a case of mental retardation, which has nothing to do with jinns.

Mansour: No jinns, no witchcraft. It's not even a mental illness.

Moderator: So what is he doing?

Mansour: You have to ask him that. Now he'll tear his clothes, and make all kinds of movements, but it's all nonsense.

Moderator: So it's a mental illness.

Karima: It's a serious mental illness. He must be sent to a doctor...

Moderator: So what is it, Sheik Fawzi? This is not a mental illness?

Al-Mahdi: Diagnosing before he's been treated with the Koranic verses… Even before any water was poured on him, he started acting this way.

Mansour: This is regular water. He thought this was water over which the Koranic verses had been read. That's why he started this charade when I poured it on him. This way I have exposed many people who claimed that a spell was cast on them. I've written about this in my book Confronting the Jinn. I wrote something unique about the relation between mental illness...

Moderator: OK, but can a normal person make such movements with his arms and legs?

Mansour: Yes, it's very normal. I've seen many such cases. When someone believes Koranic water was poured over him, he moves like that.

Moderator: But Sheik Fawzi read from the Koran beforehand.

Mansour: No, no. This is acting.

Al-Mahdi: Even before I read the Koran he was sitting, looking sick. Even before I uttered a word.

Mansour: He had the misfortune of encountering someone like myself.

Moderator: What shall we do now?

Mansour: Nothing. He can hear me. He is wide awake, and fully aware of everything.

Karima: He needs sedatives in a mental hospital.

Mansour: Please take him out. He is tearing up the man's papers .Please take him out. Who do all these papers belong to?

Moderator: To Sheik Fawzi. Can you recite some verses for him?

Al-Mahdi: No, no. He's a fraud.

Karima: A psychiatrist should give him a sedative shot. That's his treatment.

Al-Mahdi: Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar. Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar. I bear witness that there is no god but Allah. I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. Come to the prayer. Come to the prayer. Come to success. Come to success. Allah Akbar, Allah Akbar. There is no god but Allah. That's it, he's a fraud! Why? Because the Prophet Muhammad has told us that when a jinn hears the call to prayer, he flees. He did not flee, so he's an actor.

Karima: He's having a mental breakdown, and he needs sedatives.

Mansour: He's trying to sell ice cubes to the Eskimos.

Moderator: With your permission, we would like to conclude this discussion, so please pick him up and have him sit down, so we can talk to him. He doesn't want to get up by himself... Get up, Abd Al-Min'am, be a man. Get up.

Mansour: Get up, and be God-fearing, if you want to be saved. What you are doing won't help you the day you face Allah, and He asks you about your deeds.

Moderator: Abd Al-Min'am, Abd Al-Min'am… Just one minute. Get up and take your seat. The truth is that Abd Al-Min'am's presence with us in the studio... First of all, I'd like to thank you very much for taking the time, and I'd like to say something, with your permission. The truth is that Abd Al-Min'am is a very nice man. We brought him here because we wanted whether there are any frauds who enter houses and practice witchcraft, and con people in the name of religion.

Al-Min'am: Whoever professes to heal by means of the Koran is a fraud. Whoever professes to heal by means of religious visions is a fraud.